2004-09-25 [Cat0132]: no saddam was really bad, but other countries havent really taken over other countries lately...and yes, rumsfield, i'd just like to say i seriously dislike th guy, but also its common curtosy to act a LITTLE polite even if u hat ethe persons guts, weird american stuff...where did u get the info on bush senior selling weapons?

2004-09-25 [Dil*]: "The Bush administration (has) sent U.S. technology to the Iraqi military and to many Iraqi military factories, despite over-whelming evidence showing that Iraq intended to use the technology in its clandestine nuclear, chemical, biological, and long-range missile programs." No this quotation is not pulled from a conspiracy-minded website, but from the Congressional Record from July 27, 1992. They are the words of the late Congressman Henry Gonzalez of Texas.

2004-09-25 [Dil*]: ^Stuff above from this website: http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Iraq/Saddam_MadeInUSA.html

2004-09-25 [Dil*]: This is where i got the photo, some facts too: http://www.commondreams.org/views03/1223-11.htm

2004-09-25 [Cat0132]: Gonzalez said that? hmmm...i dont agree with everything that bush senior did either, but he took alot of economic risks that worked, so i congradgulate him for that, but it wasnt his intention to crush Kuwait...and if u say its all about oil its balony cause kuwait has tons of oil, saddam had control over so much oil then...wow...but i was very young back then, so i just remember that we were fighting a country called iraq...so course i dont know everything about it, cause i really dont remember much, not like i watched the news at age 5 or however old i was *is to lazy to do math its friday ok?* i think i was in preschool...or earlier...i cant remember...haha

2004-09-25 [Dil*]: no, it was about money, it was about making money selling weapons to dictators to use to opress their own people.

2004-09-25 [Cat0132]: it wasnt all for money, *oh dear god im tired* but that was bushes father, not bush himself, they arent that alike...saddam isnt gunna get tried for a LONG time, did u hear? probably not even within two years...eh....

2004-09-25 [Dil*]: wait shit, typo above, the US sold weapons to Saddam to oppress the kurds, not the kuwait..kuwait was a bit different.

2004-09-25 [Cat0132]: yeah it diffiantly was...i do that alot, espically went i forget stuff like "n't" at the end of a word, which, of course changes the meaning entirly...

2004-09-25 [Dil*]: >your tired? i've been argueing in support bush for weeks.

2004-09-25 [Dil*]: sigh.

2004-09-25 [Cat0132]: no not tired of this, i just stayed up late last night reading, and then i had a really LOOOOONG day of school...

2004-09-25 [Dil*]: i'm multitasking with math homework.

2004-09-25 [elfboy]: That bites.

2004-09-25 [Cat0132]: haha, well at least u know about politics, unlike everone in my school who bashes bush when they seriously have no idea what they are talking about...they didnt even know about beheadings or ANYTHING so they dont watch the news...they couldnt even put up an arguement or tell me why they hated bush...dont u hate people like that?

2004-09-25 [Dil*]: i'm good at math..but i don't like it, indifference is a virtue.

2004-09-25 [Dil*]: yes...but bush isn't all that great a speaker...have you seen his pronounciation of abu graib?

2004-09-25 [Dil*]: i went all political when i went to humanities 10...(harder course, combination of english and social studies)

2004-09-25 [Cat0132]: HES DYSLEXIC! thats ANOTHER thing people do that i hate! hes from texas, he has a accent! do u have a problem with that? geesh, and with dyslexia its hard to string words together so they make sense, its not that your stupid! i know all this from first had experiance since i have it myself, so dont u dare say since he cant speak perfectly that hes incompetant, cause thats just LOW and not true...

2004-09-25 [Dil*]: i didn't say anything about his accent, but i didn't know he was dyslexic....But in one of his speeches, he referred to the terrorists as "those guys" ...terrible, me and my family were laughing pretty hard.

2004-09-25 [Cat0132]: doesnt mean hes stupid, but im sure u would say dumb stuff to if u were adressing a country, and the whole world, i know i would...i would never be able to do that...

2004-09-25 [Dil*]: well, he has his speech prepared for him beforehand.

2004-09-25 [Cat0132]: yeah, but i mean, when i speak in front of a group i dont follow me speech exacly, no one does...it just sorta comes out...

2004-09-25 [Dil*]: comes out wrong.?

2004-09-25 [elfboy]: Yes, how does it come out?

2004-09-25 [Cat0132]: yeah...im espically good at that, but i dont really have any shame therfore i dont care to much...

2004-09-25 [Dil*]: yes, well i'm a crazed perfectionist with a fetish for spelling everything correctly and that encludes pronounciation.

2004-09-25 [elfboy]: That's my take on life. Don't care what other people think, except for those I love.

2004-09-25 [Dil*]: Sure, that's a good take, but don't follow blindly.

2004-09-25 [Cat0132]: i dotn care what people think about me, and i cant spell to save my life, nor read outloud very well, damn dyslexia...it switchs words and letters around...oh dear god its annoying...

2004-09-25 [Dil*]: to be honest, i die a little inside if people can't spell words like 'review' and stuff..

2004-09-25 [elfboy]: Yes...Dyslexia is annoying...

2004-09-25 [Cat0132]: well i can spell decently but i'm just not cut out for language...

2004-09-25 [Ylaraniala Majere]: Yeah, and really, accent is normal here... and I really don't care about pronunciation, you can't help that as much as spelling... and poor you. I didn't know it did all that, I just knew that it made people mispell and things like that.

2004-09-25 [Lioness123]: my little sister thinks its cool to write short for every word, like this: "Hey grl, houz it goin w/ you? Im fyne, just playn wit my dawg."

2004-09-25 [Ylaraniala Majere]: Oh my god, how do you DEAL with it? o_O

2004-09-25 [Cat0132]: yeah...so everyone thinks im a retard who cant read cause i cant read outloud, so i read outloud as little as possible, but teachers make u read anyways...ugh...

2004-09-25 [Ylaraniala Majere]: And so you sound like an idiot when you just have a problem... geez, that must be horrid.

2004-09-25 [Cat0132]: eh u deal with it...but im a little better then i was...at least i can read fine normally...

2004-09-25 [farfy girl]: In response to what dilandau said, even though Bush shouldn't have said that, it's not as bad as the liberal media who refers to the 9/11 hijackers as "gentlemen", and refers to the American 9/11 anniversary as the "September 11th celebrations". What the heck?!?! The only ones that think that that day is something to celebrate are other terrorists that should be blown off the face of the earth!

2004-09-25 [Ylaraniala Majere]: Yeah, I couldn't believe my ears when they said celebration... it's a memorial!

2004-09-25 [farfy girl]: You heard that too, huh? Pretty sad. >_>

2004-09-25 [farfy girl]: Y'know, part of me sometimes says that we should just pull out all the troops, and just nuke a city or two... it would kill innocents, but the death of our young men and women over there is terrible, and it moralizes terrorists everywhere. Call it a radical idea, but there is something to it.

2004-09-25 [Ylaraniala Majere]: Yeah, but too radical, though I know what you mean. Still, a definite no... we don't actually consider that sort of thing, non-Bush people.

2004-09-26 [Dil*]: liberal media actually said that, i don't believe you, it's too absurd, that's not liberal media, it's just BS.

2004-09-26 [farfy girl]: I've heard it with my own ears. Are you calling me a liar? This was on FOX, too: the same fox that places like cnn dub as conservative...

2004-09-26 [Cat0132]: i love fox news...

2004-09-26 [Ylaraniala Majere]: I heard too, it's sick. They actually did say that.. O.O And we heard it on Fox too, but on The O'Reilly Factor, he was going "what the heck are they saying?!" But I also heard it from other places too... it's horrible!

2004-09-26 [Cat0132]: i LOVE O'Reilly!

2004-09-26 [Ylaraniala Majere]: Yeah, he's cool! He says what he thinks of something, but he also says what happens without his opinion... ^_^

2004-09-26 [Cat0132]: yeah...hes awesome...

2004-09-26 [nameless, again]: that he is...

2004-09-26 [Ylaraniala Majere]: lol, we could send a mass-email to him "WE LOVE YOUR SHOW!" haha

2004-09-26 [Dil*]: I get it now, they're trying to make the liberals look stupid, and it worked. It worked like a charm, no one is stupid enough to believe something like that and so the conservative plan worked. Nuke a city or 2? Are you stupid or something? Do you know what a nuke does? Do you know what happened in Japan to those people? The people died horribly of radiation and not to mention the damage on the land...nothing will grow there for more than a hundred years. People are still dying from radiation today. Nukes are truely evil. If the US wants to get rid of WMD they should start with themselves.

2004-09-26 [Cat0132]: well obviously we arent going to do it, and i think its stupid too...oooo i got a bottle of japanese soda today...its SOOOO good...hard to open though...

2004-09-27 [Ylaraniala Majere]: I TOLD you, we don't actually consider it. It's a horrible thing, it's just what we feel like sometimes, as they are giving us a lot of trouble and killing our people... but we don't want the innocents to die there either. And also, I heard that bit on LIBERAL shows first.

2004-09-27 [nameless, again]: We use our nukes as a defense by scaring every other country into thinking if they attack us well nuke them...we warned Japan that if they didn't surrender we were going to use our nuclear technology and they didn't give in...so we bombed them and asked them a second time to give up and they refused so we dropped another one...their leader could have prevented any death on their half but he didn’t…

2004-09-27 [farfy girl]: I didn't just mean nukes by that. e_e Daisy cutters, neutron bombs, or something would be a better choice, (don't quote me on the specific weapons: I'm not a bomb expert) but the point that I was trying to make was that when I'm really upset at the terrorists, I just think we should blow a middle eastern city off the map. Our boys are dying over there, and the terrorists continue to blow themselves up, killing innocent people in the cities. Frankly, I don't care whose idea it was first, it's just that when I'm really mad, I'd like to see that happen.

2004-09-27 [Doormat]: nameless.....if bush said he wouldn't surrender and america got nuked twice would you be happy too?

2004-09-27 [nameless, again]: Nope...I'd watch as we nuked the crap out of the country that was stupid enough to try somthing like that...of course I'd be watching from another "safe house" country because if people are dropping nukes I don't want to be anywhere near that...

2004-09-27 [Ylaraniala Majere]: Yeah, best that we just don't use nukes... something else that doesn't kill EVERYTHING... nuclear stuff is horrible..

2004-09-27 [nameless, again]: Its a threat defence...were not going to use them unless we REALLY have to...

2004-09-27 [Ylaraniala Majere]: Precisely... otherwise, use something IF NECESSARY that's less... only use what is necessary, nothing more..

2004-09-27 [nameless, again]: exactly...

2004-09-27 [Dil*]: no, it's not necessary to nuke a country twice, the govt in Japan was like insane and fanatical, but why should the citizens pay for the govt's stupid decisions?

2004-09-27 [Cat0132]: its not fair, but life isnt, we cant be perfect, dont tell us to be, u may say canada has a clean record, but thats cause u guys dont take risks, no one really has a strong opinoin on u guys, but america feels a need to act, and since so many are jealous of what we have they feel like they need to attack us, we cant sit and watch pearl harbour happen over and over, i mean we were HURT by that, just like 9/11 HURT, it hurt ALOT and we dont want it to happen again, some ppl dont understand that and tell us to shut up and stop being 'drastic' sorry if i dont believe trying to stop 3025 people dieing NEEDLESSLY drastic

2004-09-27 [nameless, again]: amen on that one...

2004-09-27 [Cat0132]: o haha...thanks...

2004-09-27 [Lioness123]: I was watching the whole thing on live tv when the plane crashed into the building and as the buildings fell.

2004-09-27 [Ylaraniala Majere]: Not live for me... but it was still horrible...

2004-09-27 [Cat0132]: i was in school...my sis woke up to that, she wakes up around 10...

2004-09-27 [Lioness123]: I was in school at the time and the teacher had turned on the tv. I've never felt the room get so still and quiet as it did that day.

2004-09-27 [Cat0132]: hmmm my private school was retarded and didnt feel like telling us...so they all were all gloomy and left us in the dark...

2004-09-27 [Ylaraniala Majere]: My god, that's horrible... that's the WORST thing you can do!

2004-09-27 [nameless, again]: my friend called me all early after the first plane hit, so I turned on the tv in time to see the second one...

2004-09-27 [Cat0132]: exacly, i left that school after that year, anyways, and going back to the comment saying why should the people pay like that cause of a nutty goverment, why should americans pay because we arent muslim?

2004-09-27 [nameless, again]: religious fanatics are taught when their young and in school to hate Americans and non-muslims...its stupid...

2004-09-27 [Cat0132]: im being retorical...sorta haha...

2004-09-27 [Ylaraniala Majere]: Fanatics of anything are stupid.

2004-09-27 [nameless, again]: very true...

2004-09-27 [Lioness123]: i believe they're called extremeists..

2004-09-27 [Cat0132]: fan came from the word fanatic...i learned that in history, lol sorry i have ADD therefore i get sorta random...

2004-09-27 [nameless, again]: same thing...

2004-09-27 [Cat0132]: naw, fanatic isnt strong enough...

2004-09-27 [Ylaraniala Majere]: Yeah, they are, and I figured that one out, lol, it was hilarious when I did, I yelled "SO THAT'S WHY!!!"

2004-09-27 [Cat0132]: *is lost*

2004-09-27 [Ylaraniala Majere]: Fans. That it came from "fanatic". lol, I am random sometimes.

2004-09-27 [Cat0132]: o ok, thats what i thought...

2004-09-28 [Lioness123]: Banana poop!!.....lol, see? you're not the only one who's random around here ;)

2004-09-28 [Kyrinn]: Ahh the random-ness... *smiles*

2004-09-28 [Cat0132]: hey, if u guys dislike (very strongly) Edward Kennedy join my new wiki! Edward Kennedy Haters United thanks! i hate him almost as much as moore...lol

2004-09-28 [elfboy]: I don't hate anyone, except for Osama...

2004-09-28 [farfy girl]: What really really irks me is how Islam is called "the religion of peace"... Excuse me, but Islam is, in my opinion, the most hateful and barbaric death cult ever to be conceived by creatures claiming to be human.

2004-09-28 [farfy girl]: Before all you liberals come and attack me on that, how about you go grab a copy of the koran and read some of the really nasty stuff? I'm an atheist, too, so I'm not just putting Islam down because I have faith in another religion. I look at religions from a pretty fair standpoint because of that, and can see that out of the top 7 or so religions of the modern world, Islam is by far the most diabolical. For instance, in some part of northern Africa, there were a bunch of people that were not muslim, but converted to Islam out of fear, then were slaughtered because they were not of muslim blood. Now, in Canada, they have made it so that Islamic beliefs override the law...

2004-09-28 [farfy girl]: So, first they coax you into a leash and tie you to a tree, then hang you on the branch, or decapitate you. Don't you see that even if you sink to the level of getting on a prayer mat 5 times a day and pour salt water down your nose that they will still treat you worse than an animal and slaughter you? What kind of a human prays to god while sawing a man's head off while the innocent man screams and gasps his last breaths?

2004-09-28 [farfy girl]: I am now open to cross examination. Fire at will. I do not think that I am always right, but a lot of times I just feel that I am the one saying that the emperor has no clothes: merely stating the obvious thing that needs to be said.

2004-09-28 [nameless, again]: good point on that...Examples on brutality    WARNING: Depictions of death, do not click if you have a week stomache or anything along those lines   http://www.homestead.com/prosites-prs/files/bodysmall1.jpg , http://www.homestead.com/prosites-prs/files/berg1.jpg , http://www.homestead.com/prosites-prs/files/berg4.jpg   civilians and soldiers killed while trying to help the rebuilding of Iraq...one a contractor the other a hostage American soldier...

2004-09-28 [nameless, again]: And those are just the milder ones...

2004-09-28 [Lioness123]: Those pictures are horrible...thank God for the soldiers that are sent over there to stop evil people like that.

2004-09-28 [Doormat]: Wow.....i guess they dont show pieces of iraq children after an apache missle attack?

2004-09-28 [nameless, again]: no, but look at www.michaelsavage.com and if you are 100% popsitive you can handle it watch the INCREDIBLY HORRIFIC video of them decapitating US soldiers, civilians, etc...At least we don't purposly kill the children...

2004-09-28 [nameless, again]: I almost want to say don't watch the video because it is so brutal...I thought I could handle it but...just wow...its beyond disturbing...

2004-09-28 [nameless, again]: to save you from having to see it....hers the jist of it...

2004-09-28 [nameless, again]: The six megabyte video shows Armstrong facing the camera, sitting on the floor, wearing a blindfold and an orange jumpsuit, arms bound behind his back. Behind him stand a group of five black-clad terrorists wearing hoods and carrying weapons. One of the men reads a lengthy statement in Arabic for the camera. At the end of the statement, the terrorists lean down to hold Armstrong while the man who read the statement begins to cut Armstrong's throat with a knife. Armstrong screamed horribly as blood began to gush from his throat. He struggled in vain against the brutal attack, but within moments his body grew still as his murderer continued to hack against the rent flesh of his neck.

2004-09-28 [nameless, again]: Armstrong was kidnapped along with two other victims last Thursday from an upscale neighborhood in Baghdad by terrorist group headed by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a Jordanian member of al Qaeda. Also kidnapped were American Jack Hensley and Briton Kenneth Bigley. Zarqawi's terrorists have said they will murder all three men if the U.S. does not release "Iraqi women" they claim are being held by the U.S. at Abu Ghraib and Umm Qasr prisons. The U.S. has denied it is holding any women at these prisons, though they are holding two women who had been involved in developing weapons of mass destruction for former dictator Saddam Hussein.

2004-09-28 [elfboy]: I saw the video of that guy getting his head cut off...

2004-09-28 [nameless, again]: its terrible...it made me sick...people underestimate how bad the people there truly are...

2004-09-28 [elfboy]: Yep...They just couldn't get his head off with the knife because of the spine, so they pried it off...

2004-09-28 [nameless, again]: I know...its possibly the most graphicly disturbing film I've ever seen...

2004-09-28 [elfboy]: Yes...The screams were horrible...trailing off into a gurgling moan...

2004-09-28 [farfy girl]: Hey, Nameless, do you listen to Michael? :)

2004-09-28 [farfy girl]: -_- Yes, and I've heard that the latest one is by far the worst. That, too, is on Savage's site, I believe. If not, he has said that he will asap.

2004-09-28 [nameless, again]: yeah, i don't want to see the new one...that one is plenty...

2004-09-28 [nameless, again]: my friends sister just showed me a letter she got from her boyfriend in Iraq...he starts talking about how bad it is out there and how he is seeing a psychiatrist because he had to shoot a 7yr. boy who was running after him with an AK-47...he said it was hard because it was like having to shoot his little brother (Mathew)....

2004-09-28 [elfboy]: Man...that bites extremely...

2004-09-28 [farfy girl]: It is extremely patriotic and brave of him to go over there and risk his physical, as well as mental, health for his country. You know that when they all come back, that some libs may be tempted to spit on them, like with Vietnam... *shakes head*

2004-09-28 [nameless, again]: I know...its so dumb...I have the tons of respect for the soldiers fighting out there...I could never do it...after seeing what I've seen and hearing what I've heard I couldn't do it...it takes complete bravery and heroism to be out there...

2004-09-28 [Lioness123]: oh my holy God in heaven.... I just saw both the videos...I think I'm gonna be sick........................

2004-09-28 [nameless, again]: I don't want to see the new one...ive gone all day thinking about the first one...

2004-09-28 [elfboy]: Where is the second video?

2004-09-28 [tomfucker]: Its about time I foun a wiki like this

2004-09-28 [elfboy]: Why?

2004-09-28 [Cat0132]: cause there is far to many idiots who hate bush, most of which DONT watch news, and apparently have NO common sense...

2004-09-28 [elfboy]: Yep. Good answer.

2004-09-28 [nameless, again]: I completly agree with ya on that one...

2004-09-28 [elfboy]: Yep.

2004-09-28 [Cat0132]: *grins and bows* i love this place...people who arent like that for once *yay*

2004-09-29 [Doormat]: Yeah....you see in Canada we dont have news....we live in little IGLOOS and skin beavers in our pastime....we dont have CABLE nor TELEVISION....on top of that we have NO COMMON SENSE because we are like the most peaceful country....also, like you said, [Cat0132] we are IDIOTS because we hate bush.

2004-09-29 [nameless, again]: Agreed...

2004-09-29 [Doormat]: wow...nameless like in a previous comment "22:18:39 Nameless...again: I know...its so dumb...I have the tons of respect for the soldiers fighting out there...I could never do it..." you may be forced to go to war due to military drafting in america! Thank bush for me and kill a few tangoes for the kids at home Nameless!

2004-09-29 [Cat0132]: not u guys, u guys i admire, but everyone over here dont know anything...i say something about a beheading and they all go "wha..." and no drafting wont happen here, the army is big enough, trust me that wont happen here again and if it did not everyone would forced to be in teh army, the would do service work but not nessicarily the army

2004-09-29 [nameless, again]: The odds of anyone starting a draft are so unlikely I don't have to worry about it...we have enough people signing themselvs up...besides we have plenty of troops out there...not just America too...maybe you forgot that coalition forces are made up of quite a few other countrys...

2004-09-29 [Doormat]: What, afraid of supporting bush military wise? TREASON!!!! afraid to die for your country? TREASON/COWARD people are DYING out there, if you support bush then go fight for him then and when the drafting comes along, join the fun of losing your innocence in the heat of war without cause.

2004-09-29 [Doormat]: yes...nameless dead troops have to be replaced by new ones...

2004-09-29 [Cat0132]: not everyone is good fighters! some people have brains, not fighting skills, some just cant handle pressure like that...and its not treason, i dont see u fighting, its not pointless either, we are fighting for a reason, i dont know where u were during the gulf war, 9/11 or attacks on places like spain and russia, maybe u DO live in a igloo if u cant see a reason to fight

2004-09-29 [Doormat]: Yeah....i may be in a friggin igloo but at least I wont be....lets say...DEAD

2004-09-29 [Cat0132]: yeah, maybe u werent on a plane, in a tower, in a elemtary school, in the subway...yeah just maybe

2004-09-29 [Cat0132]: and if u cant firgure that out u dont watch the news

2004-09-29 [Doormat]: Yeah cause im in an igloo.

2004-09-29 [nameless, again]: So your admiting to being the unpatriotic coward with that statement, eh?

2004-09-29 [Doormat]: no...because Canada is not at war with anyone right now.

2004-09-29 [nameless, again]: If were cowards for not fighting for our country in war then surely your a coward for being a whinny little bitch and trying to devert a good conversation into country bashing...

2004-09-29 [Cat0132]: o and just so u know im NOT OLD ENOUGH TO FIGHT, though my grandfather did, and my brother is considering become a tech for the army

2004-09-29 [Doormat]: A good conversation on what? bashing bush haters?

2004-09-29 [Cat0132]: im not bashing u, im just saying learn ur facts, we are fighting for a reason, though i supose big attacks on 3 countries isnt good enough for u is it?

2004-09-29 [nameless, again]: No, we were talking about a horrific scene of people being beheaded...aside from a small comment about a person being happy about finding this wiki because they were sick of Liberal bullsh*t, thats what it was about...

2004-09-29 [Doormat]: They were "terrorist" attacks...why don't you invade saudi arabia with ties to osama then? Or is bush too busy doing business deals with them?

2004-09-29 [Doormat]: better edit that comment before it gets deleted nameless.

2004-09-29 [nameless, again]: because Osama was in Afganastan when he made tapes admiting he was responsible...makes more sence to go to the right country to find the bad guy...

2004-09-29 [Cat0132]: saudi arbia is trying, unlike saddam who was doing all he could to get past UN restrictions! and do u want to talk about children dieing? how about the hundreds killed in russia? so they dont matter because it wasnt us who killed them right?

2004-09-29 [nameless, again]: i did see the little *...its censored...

2004-09-29 [Doormat]: Wow...since you didn't kill him maybe he went to his closest friends....the Saudi's?

2004-09-29 [Doormat]: The children were killed because Vladimir decided to storm the place with untrained special forces using ak-47's instead of nogotiations

2004-09-29 [Cat0132]: he might actually be dead, we havent heard from him in a long time...saudi's are dieing in the war all well, i hope u see that...

2004-09-29 [nameless, again]: What you may not realize is American troups are stationed all over the world (even Canada)...their actions arnt as widely publisised as the ones in Afganastan or Iraq...

2004-09-29 [Doormat]: LOL! do you think he will go public so the americans will blow up whatever country he's in currently? Think before speaking please.

2004-09-29 [Cat0132]: THEY DID NEGOTIATE but those terrorists started to blow stuff up! they HAD to go in they didnt HAVE a choice!

2004-09-29 [Doormat]: You realize the special forces killed about half the children in their "Tactical Strike"?

2004-09-29 [nameless, again]: *troops, aren't, publicized, Afghanistan (lots a typos, my bad)

2004-09-29 [Cat0132]: they made some mistakes, first off i wouldlike to see YOU do better in that situation! second, why the hell does that justify terrorists actions? three, if u accuse russia of not negotiacting we werent they? and have u heard the stories? they just took the hurt put them in the halls and shot them, completely unnessecary...its horrible and i hope u see that!

2004-09-29 [nameless, again]: its Russias mistake, not ours...and I'm pretty sure it was the bombs strung across the gym that killed the kids, not the special forces...killing 1,500 kids on accident doesnt sound very likely...

2004-09-29 [Cat0132]: yeah, the whole gym roof collasped

2004-09-29 [Doormat]: Yeah, and they set it off because the special forces rushed them.

2004-09-29 [nameless, again]: They set it off because they were crazy...and your prett damn stupid if you think there should be a reason to justify terrorist actions resulting in 3,000 dead after you were bitchin' about how civilian casulties are so terrible...

2004-09-29 [Doormat]: *points to rules* no swearing. Also they were not crazy, they set it off because the special forces rushed them....special forces KILL every threat, so they blew the place up. Im not routing for the terrorists but that is not how to deal with a hostage situation.

2004-09-29 [nameless, again]: damn and bitching arent swear words...They were crazy because they took kids down with them...I don't know why I bother arguing with you...your stubborn and I gave up on people like you haveing a valid oppinion long ago...

2004-09-29 [Doormat]: Yes and I gave up arguing with mindless and brainwashed sheep like you.

2004-09-29 [nameless, again]: Yeah, mindless brainwashed sheep...I think killing kids in terrorist attacks is wrong...but maybe your right. I just say that, not because I have personal morals, but because someone told me to be like that...

2004-09-29 [Doormat]: Maybe the terrorists were crazy...maybe terrorism is rampant and we must do everything to stop it...still it doesn't make killing right.

2004-09-29 [Doormat]:

Killing in any way

2004-09-29 [nameless, again]: You don't win arguments. We just give up on you having a good point and let you go on with your life thinking what you want because your just a waste of time. So do us all a favor and go find a hobby and let us get back to a well thought conversation...

2004-09-29 [nameless, again]: We kill the guilty to stop the innocent from suffering...

2004-09-29 [Cat0132]: it seems u arent anti-bush but ur anti-american, o good, u hate america, u at least agree with someone on something, u hate america just like terrorists! arent u PROUD

2004-09-29 [Doormat]: Did I say that? Im not even going to bother speaking to you, [Cat0132]. Nameless...as long as you bring the right people to justice...that doesn't always involve killing.

2004-09-29 [Ylaraniala Majere]: Alright, ENOUGH. Pull the plug right now... NO name calling. Eldheler, Nameless, and possibly Diablo - out of line. PLEASE, I don't want arguments. Just discussion. No "You are anti-American" or "You just go find a hobby and leave us alone". No. That is not right. Many of us watch Fox News... I want this to be as fair and balanced as that, maybe more so. K? Now... back to the discussion.

2004-09-29 [Ylaraniala Majere]: I think that SOME killing is right. It matters why it is done. If it is done because if this person gets out of prison many innocents will die, I think it's right. If it's being done by people that just think that people should die because they come from a certain country, not because they are horrible and murdering, that's awful. Killing is not murder. Killing is the harshest sentence we should give - but I think we should give it on some people. Because if that person ever gets away.. and there are jailbreaks... then many more will die. Even if it is just one, that IS NOT RIGHT. If they are murdering, then they should die. Unless they are murdering IN SOME FASHION, they should live.

2004-09-29 [Dil*]: Yes. Random accusations? Please, we're moving backwards here. *raises eyebrows at [Cat0132]*

2004-09-29 [Dil*]: wait...did you just say 'killling is not murder"? umm..am i missing something here?

2004-09-29 [Cat0132]: dont u dare bash america, or my troops, thats all im saying, killing and murder, there is a fine line of differenc, but the world isnt perfect, as much as i wish it was, i cant let people as crazy as terrorists take advantantage of people who are in teh mindset that everything can be talked out, talking things out can be taken to a certian level, but with some people is just doesnt work, its horrible and i wish it wasnt so, but its to true, sorry if i was harsh BUT DO NOT BASH MY COUNTRY

2004-09-29 [lohawefniwubf]:

Killing is NOT muder

2004-09-29 [Cat0132]: and i hope u realize our troops are out there to protect YOU they are DIEING to protect YOU wether u want them to or not, u dont take that forgranted, one of my close friend had a faimly friend die out there, and her sister is serving now, dont u dare take that forgranted i dont want ANYONE here or anywhere bashing american troops ive seen far to many die to protect the free world

2004-09-29 [Lioness123]: I think that alot of punishments should fit the crime. an eye for an eye.

2004-09-29 [Dil*]: Nobody is bashing american troops, you seem to be working yourself up into a frenzy of some sort. Typical republican.

2004-09-29 [Dil*]: And for your information, [Doormat] has alot of hobbies...including poetry, hockey and games. We keep ourselves busy.

2004-09-29 [Cat0132]: where did the hobbies come from i think im lost, well since american troops are killing people (yes im not dumb and i know we arent perfect yess we are killing) and killing is so horrible so are the troops...at least that was deffinatly what he was implying...

2004-09-29 [Lioness123]: *sits back and watches argument brewing*

2004-09-29 [Dil*]: he said nothing about that.

2004-09-29 [Ylaraniala Majere]: It is a logical continuation of the thought... killing is murder. The troops are killing. Thus, the troops are murderers.

2004-09-29 [Dil*]: well, when is killing not murder..you take a human life and how can you make it less terrible?

2004-09-29 [Ylaraniala Majere]: Anyway. As a distinction for you, Dilandau... there is a large difference between murder and killing. Murder is killing someone that A) does not deserve it and B) has had no correct trial for a crime of murdering others. Murder is a subset of killing. Killing is ending the life of someone or something. There is a possibility that they fulfill the description of murder. However, they may have had fulfilled the circumstances that murder specifically does NOT cover. There is a large distinction between the two because of that.

2004-09-29 [Dil*]: umm...soooo the 10,000 civilians that got killed in the bombings do deserve to die?

2004-09-29 [Lioness123]: and then you get into the topic of the death sentence, and justified murder.

2004-09-29 [Dil*]: i don't support death sentence.

2004-09-29 [Ylaraniala Majere]: Ending the life of an animal parading to be human in my opinion is not wrong. If they are torturous, murdering, or so highly anti-human rights (for instance, a slaver), then they deserve to die. Otherwise, they will mutilate or completely end the lives of others, destroying the simple and fundemental right of us to LIVE.

2004-09-29 [Ylaraniala Majere]: And that is obvious...

2004-09-29 [Ylaraniala Majere]: So, the 10,000 civilians that got killed in the bombings had a trial and were convicted of being murderers or worse?

2004-09-29 [Dil*]: you can keep them in prison.

2004-09-29 [Sweet 6 6 6--H.I.M.]: this is one thing i agree with[Dil*] about. We as ppl don't have the right to say if a person should die or not even if we have a good reason for it

2004-09-29 [Sweet 6 6 6--H.I.M.]: this is one thing i agree with[Dil*] about. We as ppl don't have the right to say if a person should die or not even if we have a good reason for it

2004-09-29 [Dil*]: umm.....that contradicts your take on "killing" and murder.....the civilians and children don't deserve to die.